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	<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/</link>
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		<title>by: ChrisM</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-173</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>WiMax looked a promising gateway for people with phone line problems, but here in SaryArka, at least, it will have to be forgotten - someone complained it was interfering with their own private system, so no one is allowed to sign up for it. 
Combine that with our flat's maintenance company not allowing a direct Kazakh Telecom phone line, and their seriously over-priced, under-specced ADSL packages (compared to a Kazakh Telecom package), and we're still all stuck on dial up access around here.
To get back on topic, I think one of the major factors is age. In the same way that you can safely assume that the younger a person is, the more likely they'll have a small smattering of English, I've found the older the person is, the less likely they are to consider the internet as an avenue worthy of investigation, when presented with a query/problem.
As the current batch of school &amp;amp; University graduates come into positions of power and/or influence, I think the internet will automatically play a larger role in the day to day business and social life here in RK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>WiMax looked a promising gateway for people with phone line problems, but here in SaryArka, at least, it will have to be forgotten - someone complained it was interfering with their own private system, so no one is allowed to sign up for it.<br />
Combine that with our flat&#8217;s maintenance company not allowing a direct Kazakh Telecom phone line, and their seriously over-priced, under-specced ADSL packages (compared to a Kazakh Telecom package), and we&#8217;re still all stuck on dial up access around here.<br />
To get back on topic, I think one of the major factors is age. In the same way that you can safely assume that the younger a person is, the more likely they&#8217;ll have a small smattering of English, I&#8217;ve found the older the person is, the less likely they are to consider the internet as an avenue worthy of investigation, when presented with a query/problem.<br />
As the current batch of school &amp; University graduates come into positions of power and/or influence, I think the internet will automatically play a larger role in the day to day business and social life here in RK.
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		<title>by: Narcogen</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-172</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>After a recent scandal over executive salaries in the national telecom operator, a low-cost DSL program, 128Kbps for 7Gb of traffic for about $40, was rolled out. Getting in the program is tough, and users will get told &quot;no&quot; several times before they get it, but it is possible.

However, the government likes bloggers about as much as it likes independent media. Which is to say, not very much.

As for government websites, the criticism that information is not clearly presented and easily accessed is on point. However, this is not a technological problem. The bureaucracy thrives on making sure that people are in as much doubt as possible over what the proper procedure is, so that any claims against them of being slow or inefficient can be deflected with accusations of failure to follow proper procedures. Until most procedures are simplified, the average Internet user will have to be a lawyer. In fact, the average Almaty blogger probably IS a lawyer; it's the kind of office most likely to have high speed Internet readily available for research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After a recent scandal over executive salaries in the national telecom operator, a low-cost DSL program, 128Kbps for 7Gb of traffic for about $40, was rolled out. Getting in the program is tough, and users will get told &#8220;no&#8221; several times before they get it, but it is possible.</p>
	<p>However, the government likes bloggers about as much as it likes independent media. Which is to say, not very much.</p>
	<p>As for government websites, the criticism that information is not clearly presented and easily accessed is on point. However, this is not a technological problem. The bureaucracy thrives on making sure that people are in as much doubt as possible over what the proper procedure is, so that any claims against them of being slow or inefficient can be deflected with accusations of failure to follow proper procedures. Until most procedures are simplified, the average Internet user will have to be a lawyer. In fact, the average Almaty blogger probably IS a lawyer; it&#8217;s the kind of office most likely to have high speed Internet readily available for research.
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		<title>by: James</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-171</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>KZ, I think the government has the right idea in striving to provide cheaper internet.  You argue that people tend to only trust information from friends and families, those in the know.  But the internet and blogging do a pretty good job of conforming to any model, but make the model more efficient.  I.e., Kazakhs can read blogs written by people they trust.  This is already happening at a very rapid rate.

Concerned Kazakh, I really think that internet use and blogging is going to expand in Kazakhstan really rapidly, especially if the government helps out a bit with the cost and infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>KZ, I think the government has the right idea in striving to provide cheaper internet.  You argue that people tend to only trust information from friends and families, those in the know.  But the internet and blogging do a pretty good job of conforming to any model, but make the model more efficient.  I.e., Kazakhs can read blogs written by people they trust.  This is already happening at a very rapid rate.</p>
	<p>Concerned Kazakh, I really think that internet use and blogging is going to expand in Kazakhstan really rapidly, especially if the government helps out a bit with the cost and infrastructure.
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		<title>by: A Concerned Kazakh</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-170</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Okay, I have re-read your response to my first comment and I can see that I may have come on too strong here.

Let's clarify things a little.  I agree absolutely that people's attitudes in KZ will need to change before the Internet is of any use to them.  I think where we diverge is in thinking about how this change will (ought to) come about.  You seem to argue that the Kazakhstanis should be left alone and allowed to grow organically into the state of mind where they're Internet-ready.  It's a hands-off approach to the local culture and as such is very Western and PC.  I understand it but do not sympathize with it.  My goal is to have my country develop as quickly as possible and for that a certain amount of shock therapy, for want of a better word, it warranted.  So foisting the Internet on people will likely hasten the formation of attitudes that we both agree they right now lack.  To me it's a good thing, to be aided as much as possible.

All right, that's my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Okay, I have re-read your response to my first comment and I can see that I may have come on too strong here.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s clarify things a little.  I agree absolutely that people&#8217;s attitudes in KZ will need to change before the Internet is of any use to them.  I think where we diverge is in thinking about how this change will (ought to) come about.  You seem to argue that the Kazakhstanis should be left alone and allowed to grow organically into the state of mind where they&#8217;re Internet-ready.  It&#8217;s a hands-off approach to the local culture and as such is very Western and PC.  I understand it but do not sympathize with it.  My goal is to have my country develop as quickly as possible and for that a certain amount of shock therapy, for want of a better word, it warranted.  So foisting the Internet on people will likely hasten the formation of attitudes that we both agree they right now lack.  To me it&#8217;s a good thing, to be aided as much as possible.</p>
	<p>All right, that&#8217;s my two cents.
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		<title>by: A Concerned Kazakh</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-169</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;maybe people don’t want the Internet or they want different things from the Internet than Americans or Germans or Chinese want and maybe we should pay attention to that&lt;/em&gt;

There are too many maybes in this sentence.  One can second-guess the usefulness of something to no end.  It's a bit like arguing which hydrant to pump water from while the house burns down.  (Maybe that's overly dramatic, but the principle is correct.)  If the people don't want the Internet, they won't use it.  If they want it for something other than Americans-Germans-what-have-you, they'll use it for those other purposes.  The beneficial effects a wired environment has on business productivity, political openness, and cultural development are enormous (see Hal Varian's work on some of the economic aspects, for example).  To me, the cost-benefit analysis is simple: will the drive to expand Internet use harm Kazakhstanis?  I fail to see how.  Will it help?  Most likely.  It's easy to see which way the scale is tipping here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>maybe people don’t want the Internet or they want different things from the Internet than Americans or Germans or Chinese want and maybe we should pay attention to that</em></p>
	<p>There are too many maybes in this sentence.  One can second-guess the usefulness of something to no end.  It&#8217;s a bit like arguing which hydrant to pump water from while the house burns down.  (Maybe that&#8217;s overly dramatic, but the principle is correct.)  If the people don&#8217;t want the Internet, they won&#8217;t use it.  If they want it for something other than Americans-Germans-what-have-you, they&#8217;ll use it for those other purposes.  The beneficial effects a wired environment has on business productivity, political openness, and cultural development are enormous (see Hal Varian&#8217;s work on some of the economic aspects, for example).  To me, the cost-benefit analysis is simple: will the drive to expand Internet use harm Kazakhstanis?  I fail to see how.  Will it help?  Most likely.  It&#8217;s easy to see which way the scale is tipping here.
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		<title>by: KZBlog</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-168</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The thrust of my argument is that maybe people don't want the Internet or they want different things from the Internet than Americans or Germans or Chinese want and maybe we should pay attention to that. 

I see your point and I don't want to say that Kazakhs don't don't deserve the Internet or can't learn the Internet. Not at all. But I also don't think one should force things on people just because it's the new cool thing or all the western countries are doing it.

I still hold that if the Internet is to catch on in Kazakhstan it will take more than just handing it to people, it will also changing people's views and socialization. 

Thanks for the comment, I hope we get some more on this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thrust of my argument is that maybe people don&#8217;t want the Internet or they want different things from the Internet than Americans or Germans or Chinese want and maybe we should pay attention to that. </p>
	<p>I see your point and I don&#8217;t want to say that Kazakhs don&#8217;t don&#8217;t deserve the Internet or can&#8217;t learn the Internet. Not at all. But I also don&#8217;t think one should force things on people just because it&#8217;s the new cool thing or all the western countries are doing it.</p>
	<p>I still hold that if the Internet is to catch on in Kazakhstan it will take more than just handing it to people, it will also changing people&#8217;s views and socialization. </p>
	<p>Thanks for the comment, I hope we get some more on this!
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		<title>by: A Concerned Kazakh</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.blogsome.com/2007/02/03/126/#comment-167</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It is precisely to break these outdates patterns of thinking that they need to introduce the Internet and make it as widely accesible as possible.  I'm not even sure I get the thrust of your argument.  &quot;It's not perfect so let's not use it&quot;?  But how does it get perfect if not through use?  What about learning by doing?  Throw the people in and let them sink or swim; it's the best way to make sure things will get MOVING for a change.  Otherwise, as with everything in our benighted part of the world, we'll just sit around and sigh about all these new and wonderful things that we hear about but that are out of our reach -- because we're too cautions to use them.  To hell with caution!  We have too much of it already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It is precisely to break these outdates patterns of thinking that they need to introduce the Internet and make it as widely accesible as possible.  I&#8217;m not even sure I get the thrust of your argument.  &#8220;It&#8217;s not perfect so let&#8217;s not use it&#8221;?  But how does it get perfect if not through use?  What about learning by doing?  Throw the people in and let them sink or swim; it&#8217;s the best way to make sure things will get MOVING for a change.  Otherwise, as with everything in our benighted part of the world, we&#8217;ll just sit around and sigh about all these new and wonderful things that we hear about but that are out of our reach &#8212; because we&#8217;re too cautions to use them.  To hell with caution!  We have too much of it already!
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